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Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:53 pm
by Bert Weiss
I was taught long ago, that the hobbyists make it possible for the artists to have raw materials to work with. Companies like Bullseye and Spectrum could not afford to manufacture fusible glass if it their only clientele were artists. Back in the day, it was suncatcher makers who supported the architectural leaded glass artists. Today it is the same in the fusing world.

So, yes these people have a narrow understanding of what to do and why. From my perspective, we were pretty lucky on this forum, to have had a dialogue with all sorts of people. All sides benefitted from the discussions and now we know a lot more about how glass behaves. I had never seen FGF before this thread began. It is a bit scary over there. So, all I can say is Thank You Brad, for maintaining this forum, and holding on to the archives. It is a thousand times more useful than rambling facebook threads.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:54 pm
by Judd
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Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:58 pm
by jim burchett
Was on FGF for awhile and it was overwhelming and also very thinskinned..seemed that anything but the most vaguely worded criticism or critique was met with outrage. Still a member but i dont follow them anymore. This board is the standard by which all other fused glass forums should be judged...thanks to brad and all of the members over the years who have willingly and patiently given of their expertise. And I agree that Cynthia is right at the top of contributors that are unfaillingly helpful.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:22 pm
by Valerie Adams
The FB glass groups are like fast food to me; Warm Glass is a gourmet meal. :D

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:20 pm
by Cate G
I started working with glass in 2003 or so. I take as many classes as I can afford, but without this group I wouldn't be as far along in the process as I am. I just joined FBF and think some of the work is very well done and some not. I think it will be a go to place when I have nothing better to do. When you join a FB group do you always get a slew of posts clogging up your wall?? Anyone know how to belong but only view the site when you want to?
Cate

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:58 pm
by Valerie Adams
Cate, I've created folders in my email program that route all of the fanatics' mail out of my regular inbox. Keeps it much tidier!

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:43 pm
by Morganica
Cate, go into your FB settings in your profile, and choose "Notifications Settings." There will be an area called "What you get notified about" and you need to look in there for "Groups activity." Find the group you want to regulate, and you should see a drop-down box beside it, like this:
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You can choose "All posts," which means that anything posted to that group will pop up in your stream, "Friends' posts," which means that someone also has to be your FB friend to show up, or "Highlights," so that only those posts that got the most likes or the most comments in the last week or so will show up.

Or you can just turn all notifications off, so that nothing posted to that group shows up on your wall, and the only way you'll see something from that group is if you go in there and/or post. Typically, if the group has fewer than 250 members, notifications default to All Posts. If it has more, it defaults to Highlights, I believe.

One thing: If you go into the group and comment/make a post, the above doesn't apply. You'll receive notifications on that post unless you turn them off individually.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:16 am
by Cate G
Thanks Cynthia. I was going to ask my daughter, like I usually do :roll: . What does highlights do? I have a niece that likes to send out inspirational messages; like 3-4 a day! Think I will see if it filters those out.
Cate

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:16 pm
by Morganica
I'm not entirely sure of the parameters (I don't know if they've published them), but essentially, they skim off the cream of the postings in a group, i.e., the posts that have garnered the most likes and/or comments in a given period. That will be the stuff that streams into your feed; less popular posts will be hidden.

The presumption is that if the group thinks it's important, you will, too.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:54 am
by Cate G
Huh, ok.do you know if you can delete a FB post? I think you could do that at one time. Sorry, off topic, I know.
Cate

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:23 pm
by Bert Weiss
Cate G wrote:Huh, ok.do you know if you can delete a FB post? I think you could do that at one time. Sorry, off topic, I know.
Cate

You can edit or delete any facebook post you make. If you type and think like me, this is really an essential part of the process. Of course, you can do the same here.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:55 pm
by Cate G
But what about ones you get from other people? You know, read the post, delete it. Some I may want to save for a time, but most I would like to delete after being seen/read.
Cate

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:14 am
by Mark Kemp
Cate G wrote:But what about ones you get from other people? You know, read the post, delete it. Some I may want to save for a time, but most I would like to delete after being seen/read.
Cate


You can say you don't want to see it, and it won't appear in your feed. But I think FB may take that into account in what future posts you see. There is also a save function that saves posts.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:52 pm
by Bert Weiss
I find that facebook is pretty useless for finding most anything beyond an hour or three. Often I will read something and wish to refer to it a few days later. I can never find it again. That is one big reason WGBB is invaluable.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:18 pm
by Cate G
Well said Bert! I joined FB mostly to stay in touch with family. Most of my nieces and nephews are married now and having families of their own. Since they are all over the country it's a good way to stay in touch. For as long as it's here, WG will be my go to place.
Cate

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 8:41 pm
by peter cummings
I don't think it's just glass art that is suffering from a dumbing down cycle.We are having arguements about government funding being cut, and the general community isn't that concerned. Just the artists. And Looking hard at the funding over the years there's a huge amount of feel good community stuff that is very expensive, evaluated in house, and dumbed down to extremes. I met a well accredited artist this week looking at some of my work. Too complicated to do, just simply melt it together and have deep meaningful descriptions. Sorry but no. Setting new directions as I hit retirement, age and ill health, I don't want to do the basic at the expense of the challenge. Plenty of Uni graduates fit the same catagory as they design and get it made by a specialist who doesn't even get credited. Those that do it and well have to be proud, and maybe more assertive about their skills and reputation.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:45 am
by Judith Andre
If I find something on FB I think I want to refer to again I message it to myself. There is a little check mark in the top right corner of all posts on your timeline that you can click on to remove the post.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:23 am
by Jerrwel
peter cummings wrote: they design and get it made by a specialist who doesn't even get credit


This is not a new concept. The one example that comes to mind immediately is the “Throne of St. Peter” at the Vatican. Bernini conceived the design but I've read that as many as 30 'specaialists' created the amazing display. An artisan without a direct link to the market might do well to execute rather than conceive and design and save the time related to that process.https://maitaly.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/bernini-his-mark-on-st-peters-basilica/

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:18 am
by Kim Manley
Just need to check, the definition of stupidity is doing something that was a spectacular fail a second time because it might work next time. Apparently stained glass samples are fine to fuse to a sheet of 96 because they will be either 96 or 90. FGF facebook page of course.

Re: "Dumbing down" of glass art?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:22 pm
by JestersBaubles
I saw that.

I most instances, I've gotten to where I cannot bear to respond.

:) Dana W.