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Should I switch to System 96?

Postby gregvr » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:52 pm

I spent a while going through the archives, and couldn't find a good answer to this question, so I'm asking it here.

I'm starting to run out of materials, and so I was going to do an inventory and buy some more glass. All of my stuff is COE90-- lots of Bullseye, some Wissmach. However, I recently had a quick trip to Slumpy's in NC and was surprised that they didn't have much COE90.

I asked, and was told that "they weren't seeing much call for it" and "were planning on phasing it out" and "check for some closeout sales soon!"

I hadn't been keeping up with all of the shifts in the art glass manufacturing market, so reading about the recent closings and sales and mergers was surprising...

But fundamentally... should I start switching over to System 96 compatible? It'll be a pain in my workshop to segregate, but if I'm going to have to do it eventually, I guess I'd rather do it sooner.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Brad Walker » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:11 pm

It sounds like Slumpy's is talking about their inventory, not the world outside of their store. Slumpy's used to carry only Spectrum, then they carried both Spectrum and Bullseye, now they're evidently getting rid of the Bullseye they carry and carrying something else.

Spectrum has gone through (and continues to go through) some major changes in the last few years. For starters, the company went out of business. They sold the rights to the glass (and the name!) to another company -- Oceanside Tile -- that has set up an operation in Mexico and has begun to make Spectrum-branded glass for sale in the US. The jury is still out on whether or not that glass will be the same as the old Spectrum or even exactly what the product line will contain.

Bullseye, by contrast, has not gone out of business and has no plans to do so. They continue to make glass in the same factory in Oregon they've had for decades. It's definitely not being phased out.

Again, sounds like the folks at Slumpy's were talking about their own plans for carrying Bullseye, not the larger market. I have heard rumors that Slumpy's is planning on bringing in glass from China to replace or supplement what they currently carry, did you ask them about that?

As for buying Bullseye in this area, I do have one suggestion. Take a trip up to the Warm Glass studio in Clemmons (outside Winston-Salem). We carry the full line of Bullseye Glass and our big sale is coming up this month as well.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby DonMcClennen » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:04 am

"90" Bullseye has been the only reliable constant in the past few years. They support the art glass industry with research, competitions, publications, communication, etc. etc. I think your source is bogus!! The future of "96" is still a crap shoot!
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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Judd » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:12 am

1) First of all, while this is all true about Bullseye, I found their representatives to be exceedingly arrogant, rude and obnoxious. A long time ago I decided to make art with 96 rather than put up with unprofessional behavior. Considering the posts for incompatibility/ devitrification/ etc. I have read on this board, I don't regret that decision.
2) That said, an artist can make art with anything. If you choose 90 or 96 or float, it's only the medium. You're the artist. You, not the glass, make the art.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby AndyT » Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:15 pm

Judd wrote:1) First of all, while this is all true about Bullseye, I found their representatives to be exceedingly arrogant, rude and obnoxious. A long time ago I decided to make art with 96 rather than put up with unprofessional behavior. Considering the posts for incompatibility/ devitrification/ etc. I have read on this board, I don't regret that decision.
2) That said, an artist can make art with anything. If you choose 90 or 96 or float, it's only the medium. You're the artist. You, not the glass, make the art.



Well said.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Marty » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:54 pm

Judd wrote:1) First of all, while this is all true about Bullseye, I found their representatives to be exceedingly arrogant, rude and obnoxious. A long time ago I decided to make art with 96 rather than put up with unprofessional behavior. Considering the posts for incompatibility/ devitrification/ etc. I have read on this board, I don't regret that decision.


I have had nothing but positive encounters, encouragment and friendly support from Bullseye in the approximately 20 years that I've been using their glass.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby The Hobbyist » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:55 am

Marty wrote:
I have had nothing but positive encounters, encouragment and friendly support from Bullseye in the approximately 20 years that I've been using their glass.


Likewise.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby jim simmons » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:28 pm

Me to also
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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Kevin Midgley » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:30 am

If it wasn't for Boyce helping to set up Oceanside, there'd be no 96 being made today. Either way you are using Bullseye glass science but only Bullseye is truly Bullseye.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Barry Kaiser » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:59 pm

Kevin,
Boyce died in 2012. Oceanside started making 96 in 2016.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Kevin Midgley » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Yes, that is true Barry, but Boyce helped to start Oceanside and without him it would not have been around to make 96.
I remember him talking about the project.
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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Valerie Adams » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:47 pm

Marty wrote:
Judd wrote:1) First of all, while this is all true about Bullseye, I found their representatives to be exceedingly arrogant, rude and obnoxious. A long time ago I decided to make art with 96 rather than put up with unprofessional behavior. Considering the posts for incompatibility/ devitrification/ etc. I have read on this board, I don't regret that decision.


I have had nothing but positive encounters, encouragment and friendly support from Bullseye in the approximately 20 years that I've been using their glass.


Same here. The level of customer support I've received over the past 17 years has been stellar. I'm a proud user and supporter of made-in-America Bullseye glass. Bullseye will continue to be the leader in quality art glass production because of their commitment to testing, adapting, and expanding their product, and also their dedication to artists using it. :D

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby JestersBaubles » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:18 pm

While I guess you could say "the future of 96 is uncertain", it is still widely available. There isn't any rush at the moment to begin switching out studio inventory.

I love the BE folks, too, but I work with System 96 because it traditionally was more readily available, and I don't want to carry two (actually 3, if you count float) lines of glass in my limited work space.

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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby jim burchett » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:00 pm

The simple answer to the original question is No
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Re: Should I switch to System 96?

Postby Ed Cantarella » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:56 pm

To OP - I find there to be lots of COE 90 out there. Slumpy's isn't the only place to buy - they are generally cheaper than say Delphi, but then again, D & L often beats both of them. If you save your pennies and make a bigger order direct from Bullseye, like at the point($700?) where it goes to 50% discount, no retailer can touch those prices.
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