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Amy on Salt Spring
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Postby Amy on Salt Spring » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:45 pm

Brock wrote:C'mon you chicken. I can think of an opposite for you. SMALL!


S...m...a...l...l... I'm unfamiliar with this term. Do you mean something less than 2 feet? That's crazy talk Mister...I don't think that can be done! In my defense I will say only this...
Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck....cluck.
Amy

P.S. Barbara the piece I am working on has lots of colors and tons of little pieces (and its going to be the death of me)! I'll leave this challenge to my betters...

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Postby Jackie Beckman » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:49 pm

You my friend are the BOARD WARRIOR and will not be allowed to skate so easily away from this challenge. Start thinkin' toots.

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Postby Steve Immerman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:03 am

Avery Anderson wrote:I'll join this effort too. Let's see....this will eliminate sandblasted black irid, platter shapes, dichro, gold lusters, AND micas ... OH NO(How will I live????)! Avery


Yes, Avery. No black. No round shapes. No surface design. No animals and no drawing! Enjoy.

Steve

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Postby Jackie Beckman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:07 am

Steve Immerman wrote:
Avery Anderson wrote:I'll join this effort too. Let's see....this will eliminate sandblasted black irid, platter shapes, dichro, gold lusters, AND micas ... OH NO(How will I live????)! Avery


Yes, Avery. No black. No round shapes. No surface design. No animals and no drawing! Enjoy.

Steve


A minute ago you didn't understand the assignment and suddenly you're giving orders!

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Postby Dani » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:52 am

So let me get this straight.... if I ordinarily do a lot of liturgical work and stuff dealing with altars.... I should now go for, what? pornography and make something that goes in the bathroom?? Um... I dunno, it could get ugly. Beyond ugly even. :shock: :lol: Maybe I'll try landscapes in gold leaf, neither of which I ever use in glass. And no black.... hmmmm. Could be interesting.

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Postby Tony Smith » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:00 am

Maybe this is the time for me to move into sculptural, Judaica that's all shiny, smooth, opalescent glass. :?

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Postby gone » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:10 am

This challenge sounds like lots of fun, but it's the opposite of what I need right now. I think I'm finally getting some focus and don't need any more distractions!

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Postby Robin Z » Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:14 am

So, for me it would be no wavey or flat panels with forms from dead sea creatures (I'm sure the neighbors have been wondering what I've been cooking in my kilns) and no abstract circle panels and no turq. blue.

Robin

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Postby Barbara Muth » Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:52 am

Amy on Salt Spring wrote:
Brock wrote:C'mon you chicken. I can think of an opposite for you. SMALL!


S...m...a...l...l... I'm unfamiliar with this term. Do you mean something less than 2 feet? That's crazy talk Mister...I don't think that can be done! In my defense I will say only this...
Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck....cluck.
Amy

P.S. Barbara the piece I am working on has lots of colors and tons of little pieces (and its going to be the death of me)! I'll leave this challenge to my betters...


My bad. I read Amy (not Milwaukee) as Amy in Milwaukee.
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Postby Barbara Muth » Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:59 am

Jackie Beckman wrote:OK - this is good - we're getting somewhere with this.

Once again, the assignment, as Doc Steve requested, is as follows: (If you already get the idea, you can skip the instructions - they are just there to help spawn ideas for those who are stuck)

1. Write down words that describe your work, it's usual intent (sorry Don - it's only a suggestion) the common processes or "tools" that you use to make you work. When I say "tools" I don't mean the actual real tools, although, you may choose to avoid the ones you use all the time as well.

2. Next, write down opposites of those words. Steve was questioning if all words even have opposites (Docters! Sheesh!) Surely some of the words on your list will - use those!

3. From your opposites list, start grouping words together that you think you can derive a piece from. This can be anything from the obvious, (if you work in geometrics, then do wiggly) to the more profound. The choice is yours. The idea is to get out of your comfort zone a little bit, expand your horizons, think outside the box and all those other good cliches -

You've got nothing to loose and a whole new world to gain, so have fun and try something new.

Jackie


Jackie are you suggesting that the challenge is to create the opposite of our usual intent/message with the opposite of our usual methods? Or to try to communicate our usual intent/message with tools and methods opposite from what we usually use?

Barbara
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Postby Steve Immerman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:25 am

Jackie Beckman wrote:
Steve Immerman wrote:
Avery Anderson wrote:I'll join this effort too. Let's see....this will eliminate sandblasted black irid, platter shapes, dichro, gold lusters, AND micas ... OH NO(How will I live????)! Avery


Yes, Avery. No black. No round shapes. No surface design. No animals and no drawing! Enjoy.

Steve


A minute ago you didn't understand the assignment and suddenly you're giving orders!


Yes. I understand the opposite of Avery's work. I don't understand the opposite of mine. But, nonetheless, I think the opposite of my work looks like Cliff's. Even though not everything has an opposite. And even if everyone's technique has an opposite, it doesn't mean the opposite is actually a technique that is applicable to glass fusing. And actually, we don't want everything to be opposite, since we want the new pieces to be "beautiful" even though they are the opposite of other pieces that were "beautiful". So, since you came up with this cockamamie scheme, I figured you could give me and Cliff direction. But, if you are going to be nasty about it, we'll just both make pieces with little "Beckman-explosions in them"... and obtain a patent on them.

:-&

Just kidding.

Steve

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Postby Susan B » Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:58 am

:shock: I too would like to try this challenge :shock:
I am so new to warm glass I am not sure I have a style yet.
But black and white, and a realistic subject would be opposite of my usuall style


So... it looks like I would need to be up dated on standard proceedures here. When is the due date?
Susan B

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Postby Brock » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:04 am

The pieces will have to be at Corning at, or prior to, September 18th.

We don't have a due date, or a destination, yet but they will come. Brock
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Postby Jackie Beckman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:11 am

Jackie are you suggesting that the challenge is to create the opposite of our usual intent/message with the opposite of our usual methods? Or to try to communicate our usual intent/message with tools and methods opposite from what we usually use?

Barbara


Hi Barbara,

My original goal was to have people use opposite methods to convey their usual intent, (or lack of intent, if they choose). But I got a couple e-mails about doing opposite intent - was it OK? I have always liked very loose instruction to a project, not exact direction, so, I included that as an option for those who prefer it. Ideally if one chooses opposite intent, they would still choose to use alternative methods to acheive that than they normally employ.

Jackie

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Postby Jackie Beckman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:37 am

Yes. I understand the opposite of Avery's work. I don't understand the opposite of mine. But, nonetheless, I think the opposite of my work looks like Cliff's. Even though not everything has an opposite. And even if everyone's technique has an opposite, it doesn't mean the opposite is actually a technique that is applicable to glass fusing. And actually, we don't want everything to be opposite, since we want the new pieces to be "beautiful" even though they are the opposite of other pieces that were "beautiful". So, since you came up with this cockamamie scheme, I figured you could give me and Cliff direction. But, if you are going to be nasty about it, we'll just both make pieces with little "Beckman-explosions in them"... and obtain a patent on them.



Just kidding.

Steve


I'm really surprised at you Steve. You just never struck me as the type of student that needed such hand-holding to get through an assignment. :wink: You're kind of a tight-ass, huh?

You keep saying you don't understand, but you DO. (Morgan does this to me every night, just so I'll sit with her while she does her homework.) Here we go -

Doc Steve's work:

1. comprised of many techniques and components in one piece

2. precise

3. exact

4. symmetrical

5. complex assembly

6. most recently, textured and/or hand polished surface

7. reoccuring themes of nature: rainforest, snow, ocean, etc.

8. crisp hard edges, both within the body of the piece and the edge

9. often slumped and footed

Need I go on? (I hope everyone doesn't need this much help :lol: ) But the BEST person to describe this work is YOU, Steve - I have only touched the surface here. There are opposite or at the very least, contrasting words or descriptions for every item on this list. Surely you can figure those out, but if not, let me know. (You are taking the fun out of this for yourself, you know.) Now, pick some, doesn't need to be ALL of these contrasting ideas, and begin grouping together what you would "enjoy" seeing put together in a piece. Does that help any?

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Postby Avery Anderson » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:51 am

Steve Immerman wrote:
Avery Anderson wrote:I'll join this effort too. Let's see....this will eliminate sandblasted black irid, platter shapes, dichro, gold lusters, AND micas ... OH NO(How will I live????)! Avery


Yes, Avery. No black. No round shapes. No surface design. No animals and no drawing! Enjoy.

Steve


Hmmm....well Steve, I'm gonna cheat!!!! No way am I making a piece without some imagery relating to animals. I was never very good at "assignments" anyway. Enjoy your sandblasting!

Avery

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Postby Brock » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:55 am

Avery Anderson wrote:
Steve Immerman wrote:
Avery Anderson wrote:I'll join this effort too. Let's see....this will eliminate sandblasted black irid, platter shapes, dichro, gold lusters, AND micas ... OH NO(How will I live????)! Avery


Yes, Avery. No black. No round shapes. No surface design. No animals and no drawing! Enjoy.

Steve


Hmmm....well Steve, I'm gonna cheat!!!! No way am I making a piece without some imagery relating to animals. I was never very good at "assignments" anyway. Enjoy your sandblasting!

Avery


How about a radical departure from your "Vanishing Limks" series, and do something with "Animals We Eat"!

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Postby Jackie Beckman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:02 am

How about a radical departure from your "Vanishing Limks" series, and do something with "Animals We Eat"!

CarniBoy


Oh you are so bad! I am cracking up! Sorry Avery, but that was really funny! :lol:

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Postby Avery Anderson » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:04 am

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How about a radical departure from your "Vanishing Limks" series, and do something with "Animals We Eat"!

CarniBoy[/quote]

Youz treading on DAAAANgerous ground here "boy".

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Postby darenest » Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:14 am

Is this challenge open to anyone of just the professionals here?


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