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combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:15 am
by orittlandau
i try to combine casting and pate de verre and got a little crazy reasults 8)

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:19 am
by orittlandau
I know this combination of pate de verre and casting is not common but it makes me curious, .
i didnt see a lot of works with combination of casting and pate de verre.
I found on google this interesting artist
http://alanhorsley.wordpress.com/about/sculpture/
i saw his interesting work using the combination of pate de verre and casting.
are there other glass artists that use this combination? i mean fire together the cast piece with the patedeverre parts, not gluing the parts together??
i will be happy to see their work!.

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:09 pm
by Vonon
What a very interesting combination of techniques. The site you referenced has some very striking examples of what is possible. I also enjoyed seeing some of the results of his color tests. Keep us informed of the results while you pursue this exciting method.

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:21 pm
by Morganica
Oddly enough, I just did a blog post on this, primarily to show the use of square stock for billet suspension:

http://www.morganica.com/glass/fusing/dripping-in-glass/

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:37 pm
by twin vision glass
BRILLIANT Cynthia, and beautiful and thank you so much for sharing this . Incredible information and sharing of technique and it is simply stunning work Cynthia.

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:11 pm
by osnat
Orit,
I like the combination .

Osnat

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:49 am
by orittlandau
Beautiful touching work Cynthia thank you for sharing.
The placement of the colors in the face is perfect by your use of pate de verre in the face area.
I saw you reach 1525 f so I guess the face got the look of cast glass and not the grain look That we can see in pate de verre pieces.
Maybe in order to keep the special look. of pate de verre we need to have 2 steps.
I think that Alan horsley in his work above is doing like this
1: creating a cast piece
1. to add pate de verre parts to the cast piece by reaching less hot temp than 1525f.
I made several tests: here is one of them. The white is a cast piece that which I surrounded with green red parts of pate de verre.
i am in the beginning ot testing this combination.

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:53 am
by orittlandau
Vonon and osnat I hope to bring here in the future some more results of this combination :)

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:41 am
by Morganica
Actually, the face and hand retained the pate de verre quality, about like alabaster:
ripplesfacecloseup.jpg


There were a few odd effects, though; the red-brown dusting I gave the eyebrows did migrate a bit, as did the pupils, and needed to be cold worked. Typically the pack doesn't move at all in my faces, so that was a little unusual. Also, the pate de verre WAS more translucent than usual, so that the strongest blues behind the face show through.

I attributed that to the long process at 1525F. I felt I needed that long and hot to ensure that the billet colors came down and blended, although it probably didn't need as long as I gave it. I've had a couple of these, though, where in thicker areas the billet didn't quite fill and flatten as it should, probably because I'm baffling the mold from the end elements with firebrick.

You could preform the billet and do your color mixing in a background mold that lacked the face/hands, rather like forming a giant billet. Then you could pack the face and hands in the real mold and add the "billet" on top, fire them together so that the pate de verre sintered and then attached to the background. I'd worry that the interface would be obvious, but this particular piece is very single-planed anyway, so it probably wouldn't matter. But it would be a lot more work, and there would be increased danger of bubbles.

Re: combination of casting and pate de verre

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:47 am
by orittlandau
The close up picture of the face does show pate de verre texture.
thank you very much cynthia for the great tips and explainations.
there are lots of possibilities!!

oritt