muller

Paul Tarlow · Post by **Paul Tarlow** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:01 pm

After watching Avery's demo at WGW I'm convinced I need a muller. All the ones that I'm finding online seem outragously expensive.

Other than making one myself, any ideas where to get one cheap?

Thanks,
Paul

Avery Anderson · Post by **Avery Anderson** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:23 pm

Paul:

There was a glass blower at my presentation who said he was going to produce some mullers...he thought they would be fairly simply to make. I'm sorry...I forgot his name, but perhaps he will chime in.

Also, some people suggested getting a rod and just grinding the end. Probably would work.

Avery

Alecia Helton · Post by **Alecia Helton** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:53 pm

For those of us who didn't make it to WGW, what is a muller?

Thanks,
Alecia

Ron Coleman · Post by **Ron Coleman** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:57 pm

Alecia Helton wrote:For those of us who didn't make it to WGW, what is a muller?

Thanks,
Alecia

Used for mixing glass paints with a medium

http://www.art-boards.com/Muller's.htm

Ron

Paul Tarlow · Post by **Paul Tarlow** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:01 pm

Ron Coleman wrote:
Alecia Helton wrote:For those of us who didn't make it to WGW, what is a muller?

Thanks,
Alecia
Used for mixing glass paints with a medium

http://www.art-boards.com/Muller's.htm

Ron

yup - those are the ones I found -- maybe its me but they seem outragously expensive for what they are

btw Ron, it was good to see you this past weekend

Ron Coleman · Post by **Ron Coleman** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:02 pm

Paul Tarlow wrote:After watching Avery's demo at WGW I'm convinced I need a muller. All the ones that I'm finding online seem outragously expensive.

Other than making one myself, any ideas where to get one cheap?

Thanks,
Paul

Paul

Look for a beer glass with a heavy bottom and grind it flat or look for a glass spice jar with a ground glass lid. Pitch out the jar and use the lid upsidedown.

http://fantes.com/images/98334spice.jpg

Ron

Ron

Ron Coleman · Post by **Ron Coleman** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:05 pm

I cast one from BE Clear in a plaster mold, only took about a week to make one.

Ron

Paul Tarlow · Post by **Paul Tarlow** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:06 pm

Ron Coleman wrote:I cast one from BE Clear in a plaster mold, only took about a week to make one.

Ron

did you lap grind the bottom flat ?

I was thinking about doing that (from either BE scrap or float)

Ron Coleman · Post by **Ron Coleman** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:14 pm

I cast it upside down with the big end up and got lucky that there were no bubbles on the surface.

It was fairly flat from the casting and then I just ground it on a piece of glass with a little grit and water.

Ron

watershed · Post by **watershed** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:55 pm

SHoot guys, How's $15 plus shipping sound. Soda Lime (actually Spectrum 96, so in a pinch you can melt it down) Ground to 80 grit. Can do 220 easy as well. Of course Latticino handles, and imitation marital aids would cost extra. Can probably crank about 4 an hour.

Since I've never used one, there might be tech specs that I can't imagine. Enlighten me...

Greg

Brian and Jenny Blanthorn · Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:39 am

watershed wrote:SHoot guys, How's $15 plus shipping sound. Soda Lime (actually Spectrum 96, so in a pinch you can melt it down) Ground to 80 grit. Can do 220 easy as well. Of course Latticino handles, and imitation marital aids would cost extra. Can probably crank about 4 an hour.

Since I've never used one, there might be tech specs that I can't imagine. Enlighten me...

Greg

The pics are a nice design

U do need 2 keep a heavy bace

With a slight round on the edge

No bubbles in the bace grind area

Soda lime is Ok

Clear best

U could cast one urself from scrap with a clear bace

Just a round thick pebble form is OK

If they get big they R hard 2 move

Elizabeth in UK · Post by **Elizabeth in UK** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:15 am

I just did a search for "glass muller" in UK and got several hits.
Looking at
http://www.lawrence.co.uk/shop/index.ht ... g43_0.html
It seems to be a tool also used in printing so a printmakers supplier may be less expensive a supplier and easier to find than a specific glass supplier.

Don Burt · Post by **Don Burt** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:10 am

Alecia Helton wrote:For those of us who didn't make it to WGW, what is a muller?

Thanks,
Alecia

You can find them at the flea markets pretty easily here in Ohio. The guys who wear them usually have sleeveless T-shirts and a big belt buckle. Wait, maybe I'm confusing the word with something else. Never mind.

scooter riegelsperger · Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:26 am

Paul,
I'll make you one for a discount on your next adv. powders class in Austin. Just give me a sketch of what you want & I will make it and lap it flat in whatever grit you want.
Robert

Barbara Muth · Post by **Barbara Muth** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:21 am

from my notes it appears that another source for mullers are the folks who are reproducing older arts, like the folks at iconofile who have the least expensive muller I was able to find online... Here is an excerpt from my notes:

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Least expensive glass muller found online:
http://iconofile.com/search_results.asp ... fromSearch

other glass mullers:
http://www.dickblick.com/zz049/73/produ ... ig_id=6184
http://www.danielsmith.net/cgi-bin/sgin ... 85=Y&GENP=
http://www.stainedglassstylists.com/cat ... 862964.htm
http://www.stainedglassstylists.com/cat ... oducts.htm

These folks sell a granite muller (wonder what that would be like?):
http://www.manuscriptarts.net/art_supplies.htm

..................................

Hey Ron, did it cost you as much to cast (when you figure in time and energy costs) as it would have to buy it?

still planning to get one....
Barbara

Rebecca M. · Post by **Rebecca M.** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:52 am

I thought the granite muller would be like a mortar and pestle type thing.
I was going to try this out, but haven't gotten around to finding the one I
know is around here somewhere.....
I bought a small one from Sunshine. Looking in the price list from their catalog,
Glass Mullers
2" - 26.99
3" - 37.39
4" - 47.59
Not too bad considering some other prices out there.
http://www.sunshineglass.com

Cynthia · Post by **Cynthia** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:34 am

Ed Hoy sells a 2" and a 4" glass muller. < $17.00 and < $30.00 respectively. Item numbers 7404 and 74041. If they carry them at these prices wholesale, then there are others out there, scads I would expect, for about that same price. Many painters grind their own pigments, so there are mullers out ther at the art supply houses. Look there as well.

http://www.edhoy.com

Mark Kemp · Post by **Mark Kemp** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:47 am

When I saw mention of glass mullers, I thought it meant "mullers for glass", but now I see they are mullers MADE of glass. The ones on the link I followed said they were made for grinding pigments. Do these really hold up grinding glass, which I would presume is harder than most pigments? I would think that would depend on whether the muller glass or the enamel glass were harder. If the glass wears off, is contamination from the glass in the muller cause any problems in the enamel?

Barbara Muth · Post by **Barbara Muth** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:10 pm

Mark, Avery can speak more to this better than I can. The process where I used the muller was for mixing pigments (like micas or paradise paints) with a medium like klyrfire. The muller enables you to eliminate clumps of pigments. That was my experience.

Barbara

Don Burt · Post by **Don Burt** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:29 pm

Mark Kemp wrote:When I saw mention of glass mullers, I thought it meant "mullers for glass", but now I see they are mullers MADE of glass. The ones on the link I followed said they were made for grinding pigments. Do these really hold up grinding glass, which I would presume is harder than most pigments? I would think that would depend on whether the muller glass or the enamel glass were harder. If the glass wears off, is contamination from the glass in the muller cause any problems in the enamel?

Apparently not enough glass comes-off the muller to make a difference in your pigment. I'll bet I get more steel from my palette knife in the pigment than glass from the muller. One palette knife that I prepare enamel with (when not mulling) is old, its paper thin at the blade and has a weird shape from being ground away on the glass palette.

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