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				Cast Jewels for Tiffany style lamps
				Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:49 pm
				by Glassexpat
				Hi everyone.
I am new to the bulletin board.  I am currently trying to cast jewels to use in my lamp projects.  The casting has proved easy, but I have been trying to fire polish the jewels and find they stay dull and matt.  I applied superspray devitrification spray to them and slowly ramped up at approx. 400 degrees an hour (I am doing this manually) to 1350 degrees.  I flash vented to 1000 degrees and annealed for 40 minutes.  Can anyone tell me how to get a good polished surface on cast jewels 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 4:26 pm
				by Nikki ONeill
				Hi Jerre:  You asked a great question.  As you know, Tiffany dragonfly jewels were cast in brass molds.  It's rumored that Chicago Art Glass and Jewels still has a few originals.  I hope someone on this board will have some suggestions.  Have a great weekend!
Nikki
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:35 pm
				by lizpage
				First of all- what kind of mold material are you using?? Some of the issues can be in the mold material. You want to cast into something that gives you a good finish to start- AND what temp are you casting at? If you are over firing- it affects the casting surface.
  I  make cast glass jewelry set into precious metals- I have tried to fire polish a piece that I cast into the mold material " Castalot" and I had sucess fire polishing it- although lost a little detail in the process. Since the glass pieces are small you dont have to slowly heat it up - I ramped 1000 an hour to 1360 (in a small paragon kiln) and held it for 2 minutes- then crashed it to 960 and closed the door.Hope this helps!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:04 pm
				by Glassexpat
				Hi Liz,
I used Hydroperm for my casting material and I must admit I ramped up to 1300 degrees slowly.  I am planning to try "Back Magic" to get a good shine on the jewels.  This substance apparently gives a shine at 960 degrees and therefore won't change the shape of the casting.  I will let you know how it works.  
Thanks for the input.
Jerre
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:31 pm
				by lizpage
				Jerre- An artist I studied with, Ruth Brockmann, uses a 5-2-2 mold formula that produces a good finish. Its 5 parts Hydroperm, 2 parts Silica,  2 parts Hydrocal and 6 lbs of water (parts are by weight).The silica helps the release from the mold. You can also throw some chopped fiber glass strands in there for added strength. Anyway- just wanted to pass this mold formula to you in case you want to give it a try.Cheers!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 3:34 pm
				by lizpage
				Jerre-
 I  forgot to ask what is " Back Magic"?? And what is your resource for it?? thanks!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2003 7:53 pm
				by Glassexpat
				Liz, 
Thanks for the mold formula.  I will certainly try it.  I read about Back Magic in the Contemporary Warm Glass Book, and it is available from Fusion Headquarters.  i have ordered it and expect it this week.  I will let you know how it works.
Jerre